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	<title>Comments on: Bounties?</title>
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		<title>By: ivoras</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>ivoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A version of softupdates in 9.0 called &quot;SU+J&quot; will solve most of the things behind the &quot;bad shape&quot; comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A version of softupdates in 9.0 called &#8220;SU+J&#8221; will solve most of the things behind the &#8220;bad shape&#8221; comment.</p>
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		<title>By: softupdates</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-4828</link>
		<dc:creator>softupdates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] comments yet. Leave a comment. Name (required) Mail (will not be published) (required) Website ...Bounties? ivoras&#039; FreeBSD blogDo you have any pointers as to why and how softupdates is in a bad shape ? ... do anything to it but [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comments yet. Leave a comment. Name (required) Mail (will not be published) (required) Website &#8230;Bounties? ivoras&#39; FreeBSD blogDo you have any pointers as to why and how softupdates is in a bad shape ? &#8230; do anything to it but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ivoras</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>ivoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the author doesn&#039;t respond, then nobody knows :(

My theory is still that a monetary incentive to him would help make it quicker :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the author doesn&#8217;t respond, then nobody knows <img src='http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My theory is still that a monetary incentive to him would help make it quicker <img src='http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jemochka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemochka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anybody know what&#039;s the current status of BLUFFS? Sorry to say Stephen Uphoff, its father, doesn&#039;t reply on mails :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know what&#8217;s the current status of BLUFFS? Sorry to say Stephen Uphoff, its father, doesn&#8217;t reply on mails <img src='http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Antony Mawer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>Antony Mawer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be very keen to put money where my mouth is if it helped make BLUFFS happen. I agree that it&#039;s a desperately needed feature -- I avoid bgfsck after having been burned in the past, ZFS is too memory hungry for general server use (fine if its a dedicated file server and you can load it up with RAM), and while gjournal provides _a_ solution, it can be pessimistically slow in some situations...

Trying to explain to clients why their systems sit unusable for 15-20 minutes while they sit there fsck&#039;ing after an extended power outage is growing tiring, when most of them struggle to remember back to the Win9x days of scandisk after an unclean shutdown. And back then you were only checking at most a couple of gig... fsck&#039;ing 500gb  filesystems is just painful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be very keen to put money where my mouth is if it helped make BLUFFS happen. I agree that it&#8217;s a desperately needed feature &#8212; I avoid bgfsck after having been burned in the past, ZFS is too memory hungry for general server use (fine if its a dedicated file server and you can load it up with RAM), and while gjournal provides _a_ solution, it can be pessimistically slow in some situations&#8230;</p>
<p>Trying to explain to clients why their systems sit unusable for 15-20 minutes while they sit there fsck&#8217;ing after an extended power outage is growing tiring, when most of them struggle to remember back to the Win9x days of scandisk after an unclean shutdown. And back then you were only checking at most a couple of gig&#8230; fsck&#8217;ing 500gb  filesystems is just painful!</p>
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		<title>By: m1ha5</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>m1ha5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,

Whats required for bluff&#039;s development to be included into FreeBSD (6/7-Stable) ?

Feel free to email to details and any required sponsership information. I know the freebsd foundation made good this year, but am unsure if any of that will goto bluffs. 

Regards,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Whats required for bluff&#8217;s development to be included into FreeBSD (6/7-Stable) ?</p>
<p>Feel free to email to details and any required sponsership information. I know the freebsd foundation made good this year, but am unsure if any of that will goto bluffs. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Rada</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Rada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, I just stumbled upon your blog, and it&#039;s awesome. Subscribed to your feed on google homepage :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I just stumbled upon your blog, and it&#8217;s awesome. Subscribed to your feed on google homepage <img src='http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bilge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>bilge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bonza! Bounties are a great idea. Would&#039;ve been great to see some sort of FreeBSD bounty setup years ago. I donate to the Foundation once a year, but I&#039;d also like to throw money at specific projects along my thoughts of interest. I always wanted to donate money to some FreeBSD developer(s) working on KGI(kgi-project.org) or Tendra(tendra.org)....alas, nowdays their may be other projects that would except my future bounty donations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonza! Bounties are a great idea. Would&#8217;ve been great to see some sort of FreeBSD bounty setup years ago. I donate to the Foundation once a year, but I&#8217;d also like to throw money at specific projects along my thoughts of interest. I always wanted to donate money to some FreeBSD developer(s) working on KGI(kgi-project.org) or Tendra(tendra.org)&#8230;.alas, nowdays their may be other projects that would except my future bounty donations.</p>
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		<title>By: ivoras</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>ivoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: softupdates

It&#039;s been made for a different time. Today, there are several things going against it:

- It still requires (bg)fsck, which can take a long time and consume large amounts of memory on big file systems (500 gb+)

- Hardware today doesn&#039;t keep to the assumptions made when softupdates were created, wrt caching. Every now and then people lose chunks of their file systems when power fails. Journaling has slightly different assumptions which seem to work better with todays hardware (especially since it&#039;s so widely used that nobody cares about compliance with &quot;other&quot; solutions).

It&#039;s not like softupdates is terminally bad, it&#039;s just that time has come to move on. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: softupdates</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been made for a different time. Today, there are several things going against it:</p>
<p>- It still requires (bg)fsck, which can take a long time and consume large amounts of memory on big file systems (500 gb+)</p>
<p>- Hardware today doesn&#8217;t keep to the assumptions made when softupdates were created, wrt caching. Every now and then people lose chunks of their file systems when power fails. Journaling has slightly different assumptions which seem to work better with todays hardware (especially since it&#8217;s so widely used that nobody cares about compliance with &#8220;other&#8221; solutions).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like softupdates is terminally bad, it&#8217;s just that time has come to move on. </p>
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		<title>By: jema</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2007/10/07/bounties/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>jema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Ivan, it&#039;s a real necessity for us, The BLUFFS is particularily the most important and actual for our community, Personally, I&#039;m ready to support this bounty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Ivan, it&#8217;s a real necessity for us, The BLUFFS is particularily the most important and actual for our community, Personally, I&#8217;m ready to support this bounty.</p>
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