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	<title>Comments on: VMWare Server 2.0 is a step back</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-4754</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANK YOU for posting this rant!  It makes me feel much better to know that I am not alone.

VMWare Server 2 sucks big-time.  Who the hell thought to make it so relient on Java?

There seems to be a memory leak or something.  I checked my server after a night of leaving my VM running (which I could not even access thanks to the web UI console errors!) and my server was running slow as a boulder...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU for posting this rant!  It makes me feel much better to know that I am not alone.</p>
<p>VMWare Server 2 sucks big-time.  Who the hell thought to make it so relient on Java?</p>
<p>There seems to be a memory leak or something.  I checked my server after a night of leaving my VM running (which I could not even access thanks to the web UI console errors!) and my server was running slow as a boulder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-4134</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, was I glad to see this thread.  Downloaded 2.0 and thought I&#039;d be getting an improvement over 1.0.  NOT EVEN CLOSE.  After 2hrs of being unable to simply open the same virtual machine I&#039;ve happily been using for almost 2 years... I&#039;VE GIVEN UP.  If the simple things can&#039;t be done easily, it defeats the whole purpose.  Version 1.x was simple... point to the VM, Open/Run... you&#039;re up and running... this is a TOTAL KLUDGE.  Lousy interface, worse documentation, unnecessarily complex terminology.  I strongly feel this is how they expect to be paid... (read extortion) by an off-putting product that forces you into paid support.  BEWARE.  DON&#039;T UPGRADE.  SKIP IT.  HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE.  STAY WITH WHAT WORKS UNTIL VMWARE GET THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR (...)  Virtual Box looks great but I couldn&#039;t get it to open a few year old deki wiki virtual machine but would have loved to switch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, was I glad to see this thread.  Downloaded 2.0 and thought I&#8217;d be getting an improvement over 1.0.  NOT EVEN CLOSE.  After 2hrs of being unable to simply open the same virtual machine I&#8217;ve happily been using for almost 2 years&#8230; I&#8217;VE GIVEN UP.  If the simple things can&#8217;t be done easily, it defeats the whole purpose.  Version 1.x was simple&#8230; point to the VM, Open/Run&#8230; you&#8217;re up and running&#8230; this is a TOTAL KLUDGE.  Lousy interface, worse documentation, unnecessarily complex terminology.  I strongly feel this is how they expect to be paid&#8230; (read extortion) by an off-putting product that forces you into paid support.  BEWARE.  DON&#8217;T UPGRADE.  SKIP IT.  HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE.  STAY WITH WHAT WORKS UNTIL VMWARE GET THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR (&#8230;)  Virtual Box looks great but I couldn&#8217;t get it to open a few year old deki wiki virtual machine but would have loved to switch.</p>
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		<title>By: VMWare + FreeBSD + ZFS soft-raid with SATA drives &#8211; performance &#171; The Daily BSD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-3997</link>
		<dc:creator>VMWare + FreeBSD + ZFS soft-raid with SATA drives &#8211; performance &#171; The Daily BSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] product bringing professional virtualization within everyone&#8217;s grasp. Contrasted to VMWare Server 2, I&#8217;m yet to find something really serious in ESXi, to rant about, but the lack of software [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] product bringing professional virtualization within everyone&#8217;s grasp. Contrasted to VMWare Server 2, I&#8217;m yet to find something really serious in ESXi, to rant about, but the lack of software [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Voras: VMWare + FreeBSD + ZFS soft-raid with SATA drives &#8211; performance &#171; The Daily BSD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-3971</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Voras: VMWare + FreeBSD + ZFS soft-raid with SATA drives &#8211; performance &#171; The Daily BSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] product bringing professional virtualization within everyone&#8217;s grasp. Contrasted to VMWare Server 2, I&#8217;m yet to find something really serious in ESXi, to rant about, but the lack of software [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] product bringing professional virtualization within everyone&#8217;s grasp. Contrasted to VMWare Server 2, I&#8217;m yet to find something really serious in ESXi, to rant about, but the lack of software [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vittorio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>Vittorio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you, version 2.0 is horrible !!!
Go back to previous version here: http://www.vmware.com/download/server/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, version 2.0 is horrible !!!<br />
Go back to previous version here: <a href="http://www.vmware.com/download/server/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vmware.com/download/server/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shivi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>shivi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we had also migrated from VMserver 1.0 to 2.0 on DL 380 G5 with 20 GB RAM. we have been using Citrix Server on that. the reason was the limitation of max 3.6 GB RAM that you can assign to a VM in VMware server 1.0. we were happy with the way VMware server 1.0 was working and the feature of snapshot and all, if in case the citrix crashes but the VMware 2.0 has simply send knocking of the walls. all the users are complaining whats wrong with the speed of the applications published over citrix....so i am sitting in my office on this weekend waiting for all the users to log off so that i can take VM back to VMware 1.0. hope the VMs will open up with VMWare server 1.0....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we had also migrated from VMserver 1.0 to 2.0 on DL 380 G5 with 20 GB RAM. we have been using Citrix Server on that. the reason was the limitation of max 3.6 GB RAM that you can assign to a VM in VMware server 1.0. we were happy with the way VMware server 1.0 was working and the feature of snapshot and all, if in case the citrix crashes but the VMware 2.0 has simply send knocking of the walls. all the users are complaining whats wrong with the speed of the applications published over citrix&#8230;.so i am sitting in my office on this weekend waiting for all the users to log off so that i can take VM back to VMware 1.0. hope the VMs will open up with VMWare server 1.0&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Granville</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-2320</link>
		<dc:creator>Granville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this post because I noticed the tomcat6.exe running in my processes.  I didn&#039;t realize people were hateing VMware Server 2.0 this much, which makes me feel better.  I used to use 1.06, and I rather liked the console that came with it.  I thought having one window open and turn on as many machines as I needed was nice as they were all contained in one window and I switched tabs.

I got 2.0 installed and the first bit of trouble I had was I couldn&#039;t remember what the username and password I had setup on the old version.  I had to Google for the default user and password for VM Server 2.0 just to find out that I had to use a user that was setup on the host machine, and to me that&#039;s a fail.  This caused me to uninstall and re-install thinking that I missed something during the install routine about setting the password.

The second problem I had is when I tried to upgrade the virtual hardware version on some of the old VM&#039;s.  had one using version 3 and one user version 4, both did not want to upgrade. he&#039;s a tip, you can upgrade them by removing them from the list of VM&#039;s but don&#039;t delete the disk file, just delete everything in it&#039;s folder except that and start up a new machine and tell it to use that disk file, this will &quot;upgrade&quot; the machine.

There are lot of things I don&#039;t like about VMware server 2.0, but I wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say I hate them, but if it&#039;s a really crappy product, my opinion will change.  The first trouble was that I didn&#039;t understand was having to setup a data store.  all of a sudden I can&#039;t just browse the folders on the hard drive to start up a new system or find an ISO image to install from, WTF?  I also had to change the directory of the default data store, and then setup another one to give me access to my ISO images.  the problem with this is that if I make a mistake I&#039;m creating machines in the wrong folder, which means I have to start over.  the second thing is that the web interface is soooo damn slow, all the refreshing and when I click on something it takes a good 2 or 3 seconds for it to respond.  I feel like I&#039;m running on a 500mhz system when I got a 3ghz system. and the last thing I want to do is have my browser open AND all the machines open in separate windows (although just now thinking about it, I have multiple monitors and can now have different machines on different monitors).  I guess I can just use the shortcuts that can be created through the web interface.

There is at least one bright side to the web interface.  You no longer have to go around installing the vmware console or a version of server on everyone&#039;s machine to get to the machines, which alleviates at least one IT admin problem, deployment. 

As for the use of tomcat6.exe.  While it sucks that it&#039;s &gt;95 megs of system ram, I understand that they had to use something that would allow OS system calls to access HD, and serve up html, IIS with MySQL and PHP runs around 75 megs of ram so the difference is minimal IMHO since it&#039;s only 20 megs apart and that&#039;s only on my server with is used for development.  They could have provided instructions on installing PHP and Mysql in IIS or Apache to accomplish the same goal.  VMWare server shouldn&#039;t be used by some shmo on windows xp unless that shmo understands how to install Personal Web Server or Apache with php and mysql. So making VMWare Server a stand alone product (at least for windows) shouldn&#039;t have come about.  Require people to use real server software for a proper host OS. After all getting Apche on linux is easy with all the install utilities that are out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this post because I noticed the tomcat6.exe running in my processes.  I didn&#8217;t realize people were hateing VMware Server 2.0 this much, which makes me feel better.  I used to use 1.06, and I rather liked the console that came with it.  I thought having one window open and turn on as many machines as I needed was nice as they were all contained in one window and I switched tabs.</p>
<p>I got 2.0 installed and the first bit of trouble I had was I couldn&#8217;t remember what the username and password I had setup on the old version.  I had to Google for the default user and password for VM Server 2.0 just to find out that I had to use a user that was setup on the host machine, and to me that&#8217;s a fail.  This caused me to uninstall and re-install thinking that I missed something during the install routine about setting the password.</p>
<p>The second problem I had is when I tried to upgrade the virtual hardware version on some of the old VM&#8217;s.  had one using version 3 and one user version 4, both did not want to upgrade. he&#8217;s a tip, you can upgrade them by removing them from the list of VM&#8217;s but don&#8217;t delete the disk file, just delete everything in it&#8217;s folder except that and start up a new machine and tell it to use that disk file, this will &#8220;upgrade&#8221; the machine.</p>
<p>There are lot of things I don&#8217;t like about VMware server 2.0, but I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say I hate them, but if it&#8217;s a really crappy product, my opinion will change.  The first trouble was that I didn&#8217;t understand was having to setup a data store.  all of a sudden I can&#8217;t just browse the folders on the hard drive to start up a new system or find an ISO image to install from, WTF?  I also had to change the directory of the default data store, and then setup another one to give me access to my ISO images.  the problem with this is that if I make a mistake I&#8217;m creating machines in the wrong folder, which means I have to start over.  the second thing is that the web interface is soooo damn slow, all the refreshing and when I click on something it takes a good 2 or 3 seconds for it to respond.  I feel like I&#8217;m running on a 500mhz system when I got a 3ghz system. and the last thing I want to do is have my browser open AND all the machines open in separate windows (although just now thinking about it, I have multiple monitors and can now have different machines on different monitors).  I guess I can just use the shortcuts that can be created through the web interface.</p>
<p>There is at least one bright side to the web interface.  You no longer have to go around installing the vmware console or a version of server on everyone&#8217;s machine to get to the machines, which alleviates at least one IT admin problem, deployment. </p>
<p>As for the use of tomcat6.exe.  While it sucks that it&#8217;s &gt;95 megs of system ram, I understand that they had to use something that would allow OS system calls to access HD, and serve up html, IIS with MySQL and PHP runs around 75 megs of ram so the difference is minimal IMHO since it&#8217;s only 20 megs apart and that&#8217;s only on my server with is used for development.  They could have provided instructions on installing PHP and Mysql in IIS or Apache to accomplish the same goal.  VMWare server shouldn&#8217;t be used by some shmo on windows xp unless that shmo understands how to install Personal Web Server or Apache with php and mysql. So making VMWare Server a stand alone product (at least for windows) shouldn&#8217;t have come about.  Require people to use real server software for a proper host OS. After all getting Apche on linux is easy with all the install utilities that are out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VMWare Server 2 looks like a software suicide to me.

I can&#039;t but think that they are trying to kill off this product since it&#039;s usability went down the drain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VMWare Server 2 looks like a software suicide to me.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t but think that they are trying to kill off this product since it&#8217;s usability went down the drain.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-2285</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad I am not the only one having these problems.  The Hak5 cast needs to be shot for calling this one of the best free downloads for the year and then having the nerve to call the installation issues enough for a retarded person to do.  I tried this pile of garbage with my student during a network security class last semester I made a huge mistake up(down)grading from 1.06 to 2.0. Another professor who is using this next semester is dreading it and may end using VirtualBox, just as I did earlier, because it is such a mess. Like other users all virtual machines I previously built were ruined and it refused to even allow me to build a VM.  It was also a complete system hog and resources were threw the roof.  It was like going from Windows XP to Windows 3.11, not even ME, calling it ME would be an insult to ME.  Yes its that bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I am not the only one having these problems.  The Hak5 cast needs to be shot for calling this one of the best free downloads for the year and then having the nerve to call the installation issues enough for a retarded person to do.  I tried this pile of garbage with my student during a network security class last semester I made a huge mistake up(down)grading from 1.06 to 2.0. Another professor who is using this next semester is dreading it and may end using VirtualBox, just as I did earlier, because it is such a mess. Like other users all virtual machines I previously built were ruined and it refused to even allow me to build a VM.  It was also a complete system hog and resources were threw the roof.  It was like going from Windows XP to Windows 3.11, not even ME, calling it ME would be an insult to ME.  Yes its that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: systemsplanet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/2008/07/30/could-vmware-server-20-be-any-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>systemsplanet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just upgraded to VMware Server 2.0. I upgraded
because the latest OpenSuse 11.1 upgrade broke vmware.
Cons:
-The vm install worked except for their custom socket
implementation wouldn&#039;t compile. Fortunately, it&#039;s not
required.
- You can&#039;t use Virtual Center to manage VMware Server 2.0. So now I have no way of looking at historical treads for my vms. bummer. Although VC kept crashing on me anyway. I was hoping an upgrade
would fix.
- The web gui disconnects with an error randomly 
and I have to loggin again.Tried disabling IPv6 as someone suggested, didnt work.  A web interface is
never going to be as responsive as a desktop client.
It&#039;s got the ajax shakes - software Parkinson’s Disease. You click, it jumps, shakes and eventually
you see the gui.

Pros:
- The web gui look is nice. That&#039;s how I found this
post, trying to see how they built it.
- I&#039;m running 10 vms with no problems.

Non-issues:
- The size of the download. I&#039;ve got AT&amp;T fiber at my house so size is not an issues. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just upgraded to VMware Server 2.0. I upgraded<br />
because the latest OpenSuse 11.1 upgrade broke vmware.<br />
Cons:<br />
-The vm install worked except for their custom socket<br />
implementation wouldn&#8217;t compile. Fortunately, it&#8217;s not<br />
required.<br />
- You can&#8217;t use Virtual Center to manage VMware Server 2.0. So now I have no way of looking at historical treads for my vms. bummer. Although VC kept crashing on me anyway. I was hoping an upgrade<br />
would fix.<br />
- The web gui disconnects with an error randomly<br />
and I have to loggin again.Tried disabling IPv6 as someone suggested, didnt work.  A web interface is<br />
never going to be as responsive as a desktop client.<br />
It&#8217;s got the ajax shakes &#8211; software Parkinson’s Disease. You click, it jumps, shakes and eventually<br />
you see the gui.</p>
<p>Pros:<br />
- The web gui look is nice. That&#8217;s how I found this<br />
post, trying to see how they built it.<br />
- I&#8217;m running 10 vms with no problems.</p>
<p>Non-issues:<br />
- The size of the download. I&#8217;ve got AT&amp;T fiber at my house so size is not an issues. <img src='http://blogs.freebsdish.org/ivoras/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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